tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post455804060848063564..comments2023-11-03T11:56:38.726-04:00Comments on the Seforim blog: A review of Marc Michael Epstein's The Medieval Haggadah, Narrative & Religious ImaginationDan Rabinowitzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11519934722728609504noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-72977934458969981492012-04-17T09:10:32.096-04:002012-04-17T09:10:32.096-04:00See the discussion here, and thank you DF!
http://...See the discussion here, and thank you DF!<br />http://onthemainline.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-do-you-say-extra-soul-in-latin.html?showComment=1334668172450#c289483936085790416MMEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-12569074338267364682012-04-08T07:11:42.274-04:002012-04-08T07:11:42.274-04:00canards and cannons...canards and cannons...Yaacov Dovidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-30819943801842273822012-04-05T20:48:13.160-04:002012-04-05T20:48:13.160-04:00How?How?Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-56640820870864734272012-04-05T20:47:53.189-04:002012-04-05T20:47:53.189-04:00How?How?Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-35700197503428677572012-04-05T20:47:33.512-04:002012-04-05T20:47:33.512-04:00How?How?Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-51533872337187738972012-04-05T19:44:45.215-04:002012-04-05T19:44:45.215-04:00You can delete the duplicates yourself if you want...You can delete the duplicates yourself if you want toMSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-42586540674631516122012-04-05T11:25:23.478-04:002012-04-05T11:25:23.478-04:00my deepest apologies for the duplications I was ha...my deepest apologies for the duplications I was having server trouble. (perhaps the editorscan correct this)Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-78022274714646883312012-04-05T11:25:03.010-04:002012-04-05T11:25:03.010-04:00my deepest apologies for the duplications I was ha...my deepest apologies for the duplications I was having server trouble. (perhaps the editorscan correct this)Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-88176799380562861362012-04-05T11:20:59.309-04:002012-04-05T11:20:59.309-04:00>>As an extension of his “humility in the fa...>><em>As an extension of his “humility in the face of iconography,” Epstein attempts “to understand how the authors understood it rather than assume that [he] must know better than they did.”</em><br /><em></em><br />This approach with regards to an anonymous illusrator with no previously established credentials, is more in consonance with the type of reverential respect one would expect to see vis a vis Rishonim and Acharonim and is often lacking in some of the more modern halakhic dialogue we see today. <br /><br />>><em>these two figures are Datan and Aviram, two prominent members of the erev rav, those Jews who elected to remain behind</em><br /><em></em><br />Datan and Aviram were not members of the erev-rav (who, by the way, were not 'Jews who elected to remain behind' but rather the indegenous multitude who elected to join the Israelites leaving Egypt), they were native Israelites descended from the tribe of Reuben (Numbers 26:9).Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-21969551481482816672012-04-05T11:20:41.383-04:002012-04-05T11:20:41.383-04:00>>As an extension of his “humility in the fa...>><em>As an extension of his “humility in the face of iconography,” Epstein attempts “to understand how the authors understood it rather than assume that [he] must know better than they did.”</em><br /><em></em><br />This approach with regards to an anonymous illusrator with no previously established credentials, is more in consonance with the type of reverential respect one would expect to see vis a vis Rishonim and Acharonim and is often lacking in some of the more modern halakhic dialogue we see today. <br /><br />>><em>these two figures are Datan and Aviram, two prominent members of the erev rav, those Jews who elected to remain behind</em><br /><em></em><br />Datan and Aviram were not members of the erev-rav (who, by the way, were not 'Jews who elected to remain behind' but rather the indegenous multitude who elected to join the Israelites leaving Egypt), they were native Israelites descended from the tribe of Reuben (Numbers 26:9).Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-13227919336170509462012-04-05T11:20:18.800-04:002012-04-05T11:20:18.800-04:00>>As an extension of his “humility in the fa...>><em>As an extension of his “humility in the face of iconography,” Epstein attempts “to understand how the authors understood it rather than assume that [he] must know better than they did.”</em><br /><em></em><br />This approach with regards to an anonymous illusrator with no previously established credentials, is more in consonance with the type of reverential respect one would expect to see vis a vis Rishonim and Acharonim and is often lacking in some of the more modern halakhic dialogue we see today. <br /><br />>><em>these two figures are Datan and Aviram, two prominent members of the erev rav, those Jews who elected to remain behind</em><br /><em></em><br />Datan and Aviram were not members of the erev-rav (who, by the way, were not 'Jews who elected to remain behind' but rather the indegenous multitude who elected to join the Israelites leaving Egypt), they were native Israelites descended from the tribe of Reuben (Numbers 26:9).Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-32977082062475799872012-04-05T11:19:26.193-04:002012-04-05T11:19:26.193-04:00>>As an extension of his “humility in the fa...>><em>As an extension of his “humility in the face of iconography,” Epstein attempts “to understand how the authors understood it rather than assume that [he] must know better than they did.”</em><br /><em></em><br />This approach with regards to an anonymous illusrator with no previously established credentials, is more in consonance with the type of reverential respect one would expect to see vis a vis Rishonim and Acharonim and is often lacking in some of the more modern halakhic dialogue we see today. <br /><br />>><em>these two figures are Datan and Aviram, two prominent members of the erev rav, those Jews who elected to remain behind</em><br /><em></em><br />Datan and Aviram were not members of the erev-rav (who, by the way, were not 'Jews who elected to remain behind' but rather the indegenous multitude who elected to join the Israelites leaving Egypt), they were native Israelites descended from the tribe of Reuben (Numbers 26:9).Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-77552304021864928592012-04-05T11:19:09.049-04:002012-04-05T11:19:09.049-04:00>>As an extension of his “humility in the fa...>><em>As an extension of his “humility in the face of iconography,” Epstein attempts “to understand how the authors understood it rather than assume that [he] must know better than they did.”</em><br /><em></em><br />This approach with regards to an anonymous illusrator with no previously established credentials, is more in consonance with the type of reverential respect one would expect to see vis a vis Rishonim and Acharonim and is often lacking in some of the more modern halakhic dialogue we see today. <br /><br />>><em>these two figures are Datan and Aviram, two prominent members of the erev rav, those Jews who elected to remain behind</em><br /><em></em><br />Datan and Aviram were not members of the erev-rav (who, by the way, were not 'Jews who elected to remain behind' but rather the indegenous multitude who elected to join the Israelites leaving Egypt), they were native Israelites descended from the tribe of Reuben (Numbers 26:9).Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-28668171399309889772012-04-05T11:18:46.566-04:002012-04-05T11:18:46.566-04:00>>As an extension of his “humility in the fa...>><em>As an extension of his “humility in the face of iconography,” Epstein attempts “to understand how the authors understood it rather than assume that [he] must know better than they did.”</em><br /><em></em><br />This approach with regards to an anonymous illusrator with no previously established credentials, is more in consonance with the type of reverential respect one would expect to see vis a vis Rishonim and Acharonim and is often lacking in some of the more modern halakhic dialogue we see today. <br /><br />>><em>these two figures are Datan and Aviram, two prominent members of the erev rav, those Jews who elected to remain behind</em><br /><em></em><br />Datan and Aviram were not members of the erev-rav (who, by the way, were not 'Jews who elected to remain behind' but rather the indegenous multitude who elected to join the Israelites leaving Egypt), they were native Israelites descended from the tribe of Reuben (Numbers 26:9).Maimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-22890194972526782512012-04-05T09:47:46.431-04:002012-04-05T09:47:46.431-04:00Thanks.Thanks.DFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-41928825358546721602012-04-05T00:08:30.390-04:002012-04-05T00:08:30.390-04:00EFRAIM
agreed. he makes important points but text...EFRAIM<br /><br />agreed. he makes important points but text could have been much shorter.<br /><br />DF:<br /><br />aside from the sarajevo's haggadah's artisic importance in its own right and its sensational history through the centuries, it early on became central to the general narrative of jewish art is remains so prominently mentioned because it was the first hebrew illustrsated manuscript to be studied seriously by art historians (late 19th c.) and it showed them that jewish art is worthy of being studied.abba's rantingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-76737191010872243842012-04-05T00:05:25.103-04:002012-04-05T00:05:25.103-04:00"Most discussions regarding the Haggadah begi..."Most discussions regarding the Haggadah begin with the tired canard . . ."<br /><br />how is this a canard?<br /><br />"The Birds’ Head Haggadah is the oldest illustrated Haggadah text, dated to around the early 1300s"<br /><br />perhaps the earliest illustrated ashkenazi haggadah? isn't the prato earlier (or at least from the same time)?<br /><br />thanks for the first paragraphabba's rantingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-71953605420338720062012-04-04T10:34:51.108-04:002012-04-04T10:34:51.108-04:00An exceptionally well-written and informative revi...An exceptionally well-written and informative review. Well done.<br /><br />I noted one objection in the onthemainline review of the first chapter - Epstein claims his son was the first to posit that birdheads are Jews and roundheads are Egyptian, explaining the two figures that seem to undercut this theory as images of Dasan & Aviram. For the reasons I stated there, either his son is wrong, or was not the first to notice this.<br /><br />I often hear about the Sarajevo Haggadah. Can you give us a brief word about this Haggadah, and explain why it is so commonly mentioned?DFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-38194555618986838222012-04-04T09:42:45.348-04:002012-04-04T09:42:45.348-04:00<span>"Protracted" as in a long an...<span>"Protracted" as in a long and painful root canal? Or as in a pleasant stroll in the park, Ephrayim? </span><span> :-P </span><span>FYI, I did use my protractor, as I always do when I want to write something protracted. It has the advantage of an attached canard eraser with special cliché capabilities.</span>MMEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-80573004389824836012012-04-04T01:39:50.126-04:002012-04-04T01:39:50.126-04:00This review was written by Dan Rabinowitz. As a ge...This review was written by Dan Rabinowitz. As a general rule articles without a name in the begining are from Dan.Eliezer Brodtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-9770839516801133502012-04-03T20:14:16.586-04:002012-04-03T20:14:16.586-04:00who wrote this review?who wrote this review?frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-88820258388416547832012-04-03T13:09:54.574-04:002012-04-03T13:09:54.574-04:00"Tired canard"? I think you meant "..."Tired canard"? I think you meant "tired cliche."Lawrence Kaplannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15222965.post-57055408987821450852012-04-03T13:06:46.060-04:002012-04-03T13:06:46.060-04:00S. posted a link to the first chapter about the Bi...S. posted a link to the first chapter about the Birds' Head Haggadah <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4796000/MH%20FINAL%20BH.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br />I've only read that one chapter, and although I find the work very good, I think it is a bit too protracted.<br /><br />Who wrote this review?Ephrayimnoreply@blogger.com